Elipitrac 400 replace 811b horns?

[Altec Best]

I often wish some of the 60 and 70's music could be recorded on modern equipment but since everyone is either old or dead that's not going to happen---damn shame.

I don't know about that...It was pure analog back then, today is all digital with lots of compression,dynamic range stinks,etc,etc.... I like those half speed mastered vinyl recordings they sound soo good ! IMO

[Old Guy]

cls500, apparently you ran with a different crowd. My 70's car could have spotted you a couple lengths and cleaned your 60's car's clock.

11.62 @ 132 , street glass packs and street tires. If somebody from the 60's wanted to get nasty I could put on my slicks and cut four tenths off that.

Year of the car doesn't matter if you do-it-yourself.

OTOH the 60's cars were a lot classier. But that just meant you didn't feel so bad about taking apart your newish 70's model.

I really want a 67 Mustang hardtop. Honestly, will probably have to farm out a lot of work. I just can't do what I could do then, and tech is much higher now. (Read that as requiring expensive tools and equipment). The mechanic I use, late 30-ish guy named Rich, owns about 40 grand in Snap-On alone. He works on a lot of circle track motors, he farms out the machining. He assembles engines in a dust-free clean room. We didn't do that back in the 60's and 70's.

The car I got to do 11's...he has put similar ones into the low tens and high nines. Sorry, I ain't gonna drive a car that can do high nines on the street. Not cowardice. I just have more sense than the guys who do. And there are a lot more vehicles out there like that than you think.

If you car guys haven't been here, worth a gander...a number of these guys are cruisers, not runners..but I don't criticize. Some like blondes, some like redheads. Tell me the guy who likes redheads isn't going to stop and chat up a nice blonde. I'll call you a liar.

Street Machine Nationals | Hot Rods & Classic Cars Auto Show

Google that event. Select images. Worth it.

[Altec Best]

The mechanic I use, late 30-ish guy named Rich, owns about 40 grand in Snap-On alone.

That's nothing these days.Just their diagnostic tools are thousands of dollars.Try working on cars today without one ? Snap-On and Mac Tools are probably the best on the market IMHO.. All new cars today have computers in them.You really have no choice of whether you want to work on your car or not so you have to take it to a mechanic these days.

Snap-on Diagnostics: Compare & Configure


Ok were going Off Topic here...

[GM]

Well, not quite......... it all begins at the air map sensor or similar in the air intake and so far once I learned this, either cleaning or replacing it has solved all mine and friend's 'check engine' problems even though having others [Autozone, etc.] use diagnostic tools had us buying expensive parts we didn't need nor able to return.

GM

[cls500]

OG; I was talking 70's cars in stock trim. Hot rod stuff is a whole different world as you well know.( But then from the factory you can always roll out your Thunderbolt I guess.) In those days fast non-stock cars were like the old west "No matter how fast you were there was always someone out there a little bit faster". But for me the real deal is a 86' Audi Group B rally car. 100mph through the woods, on a gravel road, at night !!!
I drove an warmed over 87 Buick GN for 15 years and in the 90's it was still a fast road car; but I sold it in 2010 when I realized that there are street cars now days that can run 0-60 in 3 sec.. I mean you can buy a Mustang with 500+hp any day of the week; A Challenger with 750+ for god's sake !! Then we get into the Euro tuners such as Brabus, AMG, Alpina etc. who do insane things to cars which still appear to be pretty much stock. Things have just gone through the roof.
I think I have strayed far enough away from Altec so I will just shut up now. ( Still admire the L88 engine)

[Old Guy]

"Ok were going Off Topic here... "

AB- to that I would have to reply, would you prefer threads that drift off topic, or having close to zero posts.

If I get a vote, I would say, unless the business of the board is being lessened, let boys be boys. I think that given current traffic, encouraging, not discouraging, is in order.

Frankly I think pseudo high end posts about "plasma cut aluminum spacer rings" are MUCH more damaging to this board's reputation than car posts. And those go completely ignored.

If we have to stick to Altec, let's do that. But get rid of the audiophool crap. Allowing it and dissing cars gets my dander up. Real men like cars and girls, not "hey let's do it the expensive way to impress" stuff.

Just my quarter, adjusted up from 2 cents due to inflation.

[bowtie427ss]

"Ok were going Off Topic here... "

AB- to that I would have to reply, would you prefer threads that drift off topic, or having close to zero posts.

If I get a vote, I would say, unless the business of the board is being lessened, let boys be boys. I think that given current traffic, encouraging, not discouraging, is in order.

Frankly I think pseudo high end posts about "plasma cut aluminum spacer rings" are MUCH more damaging to this board's reputation than car posts. And those go completely ignored.

If we have to stick to Altec, let's do that. But get rid of the audiophool crap. Allowing it and dissing cars gets my dander up. Real men like cars and girls, not "hey let's do it the expensive way to impress" stuff.

Just my quarter, adjusted up from 2 cents due to inflation.

I appreciate, and respect ALL of our participating group here.

However, i most appreciate, and respect the common sense, real experience, knowledge, informed opinions, and down to earth approach of our veteran members long familiar with Altec(Old Guy being one prime example). They're a dying breed, let's not hasten their extinction.

The more appealing the forum remains to them, the more WE benefit from what they share with us and impart to us. Preserving the key assets of the community should be of equal or greater importance than overall moderation, particularly in a community this small and slowly shrinking along with the field of interest.

IMO, with a community this small, firm handed moderation is separated from ham fisted moderation by an extremely fine line. That is not meant as a shot at our moderator, i think he treats us all pretty fairly within the scope of boundaries he's been given, and does a good job.

Just my .02.....................................

[Altec Best]

"Ok were going Off Topic here... "

AB- to that I would have to reply, would you prefer threads that drift off topic, or having close to zero posts.

If I get a vote, I would say, unless the business of the board is being lessened, let boys be boys. I think that given current traffic, encouraging, not discouraging, is in order.

Frankly I think pseudo high end posts about "plasma cut aluminum spacer rings" are MUCH more damaging to this board's reputation than car posts. And those go completely ignored.

If we have to stick to Altec, let's do that. But get rid of the audiophool crap. Allowing it and dissing cars gets my dander up. Real men like cars and girls, not "hey let's do it the expensive way to impress" stuff.

Just my quarter, adjusted up from 2 cents due to inflation.

First off OG let me say that I happen to agree with you ! I'm only thinking about the original poster's question, "Elipitrac 400 replace 811b horns".I think I have been pretty lenient on most everything on this board.WE are not a high volume post board as you all already know..I was only addressing some PM's I have received about Off Topic posts.. Not this particular thread but other threads in the recent past..As long as there isn't pornography or vulgar language. I have pretty much let anything else go.Unfortunately I am stuck in the inevitable situation of I can please some of the people some of the time but I can't please all the people all the time...I had to start somewhere.It wasn't that I was ignoring other things "Audiophool" crap.As I said I was addressing other members concerns.

You can talk about anything or any subject with the title OT:Just start a new thread. I wasn't singling you out personally OG but just the way the thread was progressing in general.I'm sorry it offended you.. Just trying to do what has been asked of me.This board pretty much runs itself that is a testament to the community IMO !

FWIW- I have been focusing on making 'pdf's for our library.That's were I would rather expend my energies.

OK the last question the OP asked was... Anyone have any more suggestions ?


My cabinets are extremely rigid, and the horns are well fastened and supported. I painted the outside with rubber coating before assly. Maybe much thicker coating?

Suggestions?

[Old Guy]

Discussion groups have been around a long time. As an engineer I was on Arpanet, back in the days of text-only computers, later was on UseNet, and similar.

Bill Gates was an obnoxious college punk then.

This problem was discussed at length by thousands of well educated minds. In many, many discussions. I bring this up, because what this board does is similar, except for pictures (actually later Usenet had pictures) and we do have pretty colored backgrounds instead of just text.

Essentially consensus was...threads mutate. It's certainly impolite in the beginning to jump in and aggressively change the topic. If you had ever heard the term "hijack a thread" that is it. Term from Usenet BTW

But past the initial period, threads do, and should be allowed to mutate. There is a difference between drifting and aggressive change. To post a tangent off another post , especially past the first few days was not considered rude, nobody owns a thread, at least past the initial discussion... Threads did, and do, wander, and may end on a topic totally divorced from the original.

The essential distillation of all this was an accepted etiquette, not a set of rules.

Not saying an exact copy, but similar might apply?

Here it is, consider anything useful, scrap the rest.

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What is Usenet Etiquette?

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Post Only Once

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Additional Considerations

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Here also is an interesting discussion about hijack vs mutation. Might be worth a read.

Thread Hijacking [Archive] - The Enchanted Quill

Making rules is like walking a tightrope. Balance is key.

Too far one way, (rules), creativity gets stifled. Posters do not want to post for fear of criticism. Yes discussions will be to the point, but there will be far fewer points, far less content. We all get that at work, we don't want it when we play.

Too far the other, and you have a disorganized mess nobody wants to participate in.

I would hate to see either.

Yours isn't an easy job AB. You are the guy who gets to walk the tightrope across the Grand Canyon.



Sorry a little guy in a red suit was sitting on my shoulder. That absolutely was not planned. Just an erratic rapid fire mind thinking about what I just said. It happens all the time when i read others posts. I can stop, , but wouldn't enjoy it.

I will go whatever way this ends up. Just wanted to add the above input.

[Altec Best]

Yours isn't an easy job AB. You are the guy who gets to walk the tightrope across the Grand Canyon.

You Got that Right !